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2012-10-08 09:29:59
B Thomas wrote:
Shane:
I take it people are not reviewing artwork as much as they used to. This is the longest I have ever waited to get six reviews.
2012-10-08 18:52:31
Hi B Thomas,


Reviews

There are still Reviews happening, but we have had a good number of new artists join recently and there are more new artworks entering the Review System than normal.

If you are up for it, doing a few reviews will help the backlog!!

Reviewing some of the artworks in the queue before you will help your own artworks be selected for Review sooner.


Encouraging Participation

We will be offering a *new* option soon that will allow artists to enable the Premium Gallery upgrade for free (in exchange for 'NoBullART Credits'.)

NoBullART gives out 'Credits' to Artists who participate (upload artwork, post comments on Artwork and conduct Artwork Reviews.)

Artists will have the option to exchange their 'NoBullART Credits' to activate the Premium Gallery upgrade for a month.

Our intention here is to allow the Artists who participate often (and who earn Credits) to enable the Premium Gallery upgrade for free.

We hope this new option will encourage additional artists to Participate at NoBullART more frequently.


Thanks in advance,
Shane Metler
2013-01-01 02:51:56
Reviews. I have been a member for a good few years and list myself as a proffessional artist. Not to boost my ego, but to earn a living at my craft with 60 years experiance.
I see a problem with the way the reviews are counted and handled. I understand that everyone has the right of an opinion and would not argue with that. The porblem I find is occasionally I submit a picture and as at present receive 7 reviews - one of which is not good. Because of your system the picture is immediately removed from the submission process. It seems that at this point the only thing to do is remove the artwork and start again! If one does this then the first 6 people that favoured the artwork will not bother to submit a second time, therefore an artist is getting a faulse lower score. Consider still allowing a submission of the artwork with info and onlt remove submission is shall we say more than 20% of the reviews are below standards. This should keep out the bad work and still allow the good stuff.
Another point on reviews. I note that some budding artists do not deserve a top mark for the work BUT they do deserve a mark for encouragement to improve the work submitted. At present it is only possible to give a low mark -possibly discouraging the artist from improving or producing another art form.
Lastly I still think that photography is a craft that is different from painting and a seperate list for the two catagories would also be good. Judging and scoring 2 paintings or two pictures against each other is OK, but a painting against a photo is diddicult as they have completely different perramiters. I hope this is of interest and look forward to your comments and possible actions. James Bryan
2013-01-01 11:30:58
Hi James,

I appreciate your feedback.

You bring up three good points. I would like to clarify the Review process some to hopefully explain why the system is as it is ...


Point 1

"The porblem I find is occasionally I submit a picture and as at present receive 7 reviews - one of which is not good. Because of your system the picture is immediately removed from the submission process. It seems that at this point the only thing to do is remove the artwork and start again! If one does this then the first 6 people that favoured the artwork will not bother to submit a second time, therefore an artist is getting a faulse lower score. Consider still allowing a submission of the artwork with info and onlt remove submission is shall we say more than 20% of the reviews are below standards. This should keep out the bad work and still allow the good stuff."


This is not entirely accurate ...

Artworks are Reviewed above and beyond 7 Reviews regardless of whether they have 7 good reviews or 7 bad reviews, etc. The Review System just gives priority to Artworks that have fewer than 7 Reviews, so you will receive the first 7 Reviews more quickly than you will receive Reviews 8, 9, 10, +++.

Even if an Artwork receives 7 poor Reviews and is 'Not Accepted', it will still continue to accumulate new Reviews (which may eventually raise the Review Score to the 'Accepted' threshold.)

You are welcome to delete an artwork and then re-upload the artwork to try the Review process all over again. When the artwork is uploaded again, it is viewed as an entirely new artwork. All of the Reviewers who reviewed the first (now deleted) artwork would be eligible to review the second (re-uploaded) artwork again.



Point 2

-- "Another point on reviews. I note that some budding artists do not deserve a top mark for the work BUT they do deserve a mark for encouragement to improve the work submitted. At present it is only possible to give a low mark -possibly discouraging the artist from improving or producing another art form."

This is very true.

The Review System is designed to offer feedback, but also to Review artworks for inclusion in the Main Gallery. The Main Gallery is meant to be the 'best of' NoBullART, and to facilitate that purpose, we ask that the Review Questions be answered honestly. In this case, we would expect that the Review Score be an accurate assessment of your opinion of that artwork. At the same time, you are welcome to encourage and coach an aspiring artist by leaving useful and/or encouraging comments for that artist as feedback.


Point 3

-- "Lastly I still think that photography is a craft that is different from painting and a seperate list for the two catagories would also be good. Judging and scoring 2 paintings or two pictures against each other is OK, but a painting against a photo is diddicult as they have completely different perramiters."

I understand this point. In fact, I am a photographer and I do not paint. One of my recent photographs received very poor reviews, even though it is a nice photograph with good perspective, good depth-of-field and focus and a great natural (non-edited) color. I feel that the Reviewers who gave my photo poor Review scores were Painting Artists who may believe that Photography is either not an art form that requires skill and/or that Photography is simple a 'point and shoot' hobby.

The truth is that the Review Questions are all designed to be answered without having a substantial knowledge and understanding of that form of artwork.

i.e. If the Artwork is appealing to you, then check 'Yes'. If you imagine that someone (somewhere) could buy the artwork, then check 'Yes'. If you would not display the artwork in your own home, then check 'No', etc ...

If Reviewers simply answered the questions honestly and accurately, without introducing their own preferential bias to various 'types of art', then you do not need to have a well formed understanding of that specific 'type of art' to participate in the Review System.

Unfortunately, I am not sure that having two separate Review systems would alleviate an artist's preferential bias to their own craft.

I may try to introduce a new selection criteria that will pair up Artworks with Reviewers based on the type of artworks in their Art Gallery. i.e. Only Artists who upload Photography to their own Art Gallery would be able to select Photography for Review.

Unfortunately, this would segregate the Reviews conducted for each category, and I believe that may have a detrimental effect on the volume of Reviews conducted for some of the less common categories like 'Ceramics' or 'Woodwork', etc.



I hope this helps explain a little why the Review System is designed the way that it is, and some of the challenges associated with trying to accommodate multiple forms of artwork and varying artist skill sets within one 'Artwork Review' & 'Main Gallery' System.


Thanks in advance,
Shane Metler
2013-01-02 12:57:45
photography is interesting but with all the best will in the world it could be possible to "click " 20 times in a minute and produce 20 immages. Painting cna take weeks, months or in my case years to perfect as an art form. I am not decrying photographers just trying to get people to define and recognise the two different concepts
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